Comments on: Loaded Question http://www.iamultimate.com/2010/06/loaded-question/ Living Life at 11 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:21:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tushar http://www.iamultimate.com/2010/06/loaded-question/comment-page-1/#comment-485 Tushar Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:02:22 +0000 http://iamultimate.com/?p=1559#comment-485 I'm troubled that a player may choose to ignore the advice. By asking for advice from off-field players a player indicates that they did not have best perspective and those that they are asking do have best perspective. Ignoring any advice means that they are deciding that the perspective (even if it's the best) is irrelevant if the advice is not to their suiting. Shouldn't the call be made by the persons that have best perspective? Isn't asking for advice from an off-field player the same as asking a non-active Observer? I’m troubled that a player may choose to ignore the advice. By asking for advice from off-field players a player indicates that they did not have best perspective and those that they are asking do have best perspective. Ignoring any advice means that they are deciding that the perspective (even if it’s the best) is irrelevant if the advice is not to their suiting.
Shouldn’t the call be made by the persons that have best perspective? Isn’t asking for advice from an off-field player the same as asking a non-active Observer?

]]> By: Tushar http://www.iamultimate.com/2010/06/loaded-question/comment-page-1/#comment-484 Tushar Wed, 23 Jun 2010 04:58:04 +0000 http://iamultimate.com/?p=1559#comment-484 I have three reasons as to why I see a push in the near future: 1) North Americans play with Observers and may start to push for them to be included as they start to attend International tournaments in greater numbers. 2) From conversations with competitive players around the World I've asked the question directly as well as had extended conversations with the players. Right now it's very ideological but those that play the style of Ultimate that the US has exported tend towards wanting Observers. 3) It's very much a matter of the North American style of Ultimate being exported Internationally. The Spirit surveys coming out of WUGC 2008 shows how players are getting more aggressive in play and it may behoove the Rules committee to take note of the changing game. On another note: I would enjoy analyzing the Spirit surveys for the US, Canadian, South American, and British teams (or all of the surveys in general). I have three reasons as to why I see a push in the near future:
1) North Americans play with Observers and may start to push for them to be included as they start to attend International tournaments in greater numbers.
2) From conversations with competitive players around the World I’ve asked the question directly as well as had extended conversations with the players. Right now it’s very ideological but those that play the style of Ultimate that the US has exported tend towards wanting Observers.
3) It’s very much a matter of the North American style of Ultimate being exported Internationally. The Spirit surveys coming out of WUGC 2008 shows how players are getting more aggressive in play and it may behoove the Rules committee to take note of the changing game.

On another note: I would enjoy analyzing the Spirit surveys for the US, Canadian, South American, and British teams (or all of the surveys in general).

]]> By: Rueben Berg http://www.iamultimate.com/2010/06/loaded-question/comment-page-1/#comment-483 Rueben Berg Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:44:31 +0000 http://iamultimate.com/?p=1559#comment-483 "That paragraph belies the fact that sometimes (in practice it’s most of the time) that an off-field player has best perspective on a play and that they should be allowed to make a call." Players may ask for advice from off-field players, but the responsibility to make a call still lies with the Players. They can choose to ignore this advice. “That paragraph belies the fact that sometimes (in practice it’s most of the time) that an off-field player has best perspective on a play and that they should be allowed to make a call.”

Players may ask for advice from off-field players, but the responsibility to make a call still lies with the Players. They can choose to ignore this advice.

]]> By: Rueben Berg http://www.iamultimate.com/2010/06/loaded-question/comment-page-1/#comment-482 Rueben Berg Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:40:07 +0000 http://iamultimate.com/?p=1559#comment-482 "In the grand context of WFDF it is simply a matter of time before Observers are reintroduced." I am not sure how you have drawn this conclusion. As the Chair of the WFDF Ultimate Rules Committee I am not aware of any such push for Observers to be reintroduced for WFDF. “In the grand context of WFDF it is simply a matter of time before Observers are reintroduced.”

I am not sure how you have drawn this conclusion. As the Chair of the WFDF Ultimate Rules Committee I am not aware of any such push for Observers to be reintroduced for WFDF.

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